A little diddy about Venus in Scorpio

Several times now, I've mentioned the fact that I have a serious thing for girls with Venus in Scorpio.  This even caused me perplexity (recently) when this normal pattern failed in the case of Michelle Williams.  It was even more daunting in the teeth of the fact that the software apps claimed I should like her, and I could understand why.  In a double blind comparison of her chart and my chart, I would rate the two natives high versus each other.

Several have dropped me notes asking "Just what the hell is the big deal about Venus in Scorpio, and why do you like it?" One even mentioned that Venus is at home in Taurus, and in determent in Scorpio.  Yes, this is true.  Venus rules Taurus, and is in fabulous shape there.  Scorpio is 180 degrees away.  The theory holds that the planet is never more weakly expressed than when it is furthest away from the sign it rules.  It should also be noted that Libra (the other sign Venus rules) is right next door to Scorpio.  What does that do to the theory?  Not sure.

What is the significance of Venus in determent in Scorpio?  The bullet point says that such an individual is an obsessive serial seducer.  These individuals are intense, sensual, physical, passionate, and have a very high sex drive.  They have a difficult time verbalizing their feelings and needs.  However, they are extremely physically demonstrative, and act out their feelings and needs aggressively.  They are semi-psychic and can read their partners moods and expressions like a book

The obsessive serial seducer line is disputed by many authorities, who site that Scorpio is a fixed, femme, water sign that wants intense union with one individual.  However, there are some problems with desire for intensity of union on this level.  One question that automatically comes to mind is this: With passion this intense, can any partner satisfy?  Can anyone quench this raging fire?  If the answer is no, the Scorpio Venusian will step out looking to satisfy those unrequited needs... and usually fail... setting up a chain of failures.

Both of the two major sofware programs I own have interesting interpretations of this setting.  The following text comes from the Chart of Patti Smith, the famous rock diva, whom I will address in a moment.

From Sirius 1.1

    In love, you desire a deep, intense, passionate union with your beloved and form very strong emotional bonds and attachments. You "marry" the person you love at a very deep emotional level, and are often extremely possessive and jealous of any threat to that union. You can be very demanding with your love partner. You tend to be somewhat suspicious of even platonic, friendly relationships your partner has. If you are ever betrayed, you are capable of hating with as much force and intensity as you once loved. You are attracted to people who have an aura of mystery about them.

VENUS IN 8TH HOUSE

     You crave very intense, deep, emotional relationships, and would even prefer a stormy, tumultuous relationship to one which is smooth but lacking vitality and passion. You love wholeheartedly and expect all-consuming, total devotion and attention from your partner. Casual, light relationships hold no appeal for you.

From Janus 4.3

You have an all or nothing attitude when it comes to love. It is not unusual for you to experience the extremes of deep passion and cool indifference in romantic affairs. Difficulties in love can arise through emotional manipulation, power struggles or jealousy.

Do I see a warning here? Is there justification for saying that Venus is in detriment when in Scorpio? Maybe, but there is a brilliant side to this sign that never ceases to ignite my fire.

To help you see the positive side of this sign, consider one of the greatest rock masterpieces of all time Because the Night, written by Patti Smith. Patti Smith was born December 30th, 1946, which makes her a solar Capricorn.  She also happens to have that Venus in Scorpio thing  I like so much.  These folks are said to have problems in communicating their wants and needs.  Not this woman.  It must be the Capricorn in her.

If you ask me this the single most passionate and powerful rock anthem I've ever heard in my entire life.  Now, I happen to be a natural born sucker for a Capricorn woman, and especially one with a Venus in Scorpio, so you can understand that it is all I can to fight off the full-scale werewolf transformation and prevent a beast-mode attack when I hear this track.  If this song doesn't make you burn at 45,000,000 degrees Celsius, there is something seriously wrong with your pheromone receptors.

Listen to this track two or three times through whilst reading the lyrics, and you will achieve a far deeper understanding of Venus in Scorpio.  This is what it is to have a woman with Venus in Scorpio.  This is a woman with Venus in Scorpio expressing her passion.  That's just fine with me, Jack.

Here are the lyrics for your edification.

Take me now baby here as I am 

Pull me close, try and understand 

Desire is hunger is the fire I breathe 

Love is a banquet on which we feed 

Come on now try and understand 

The way I feel when I'm in your hands 

Take my hand come undercover 

They can't hurt you now, 

Can't hurt you now, can't hurt you now 

Because the night belongs to lovers 

Because the night belongs to lust 

Because the night belongs to lovers 

Because the night belongs to us 

Have I doubt when I'm alone 

Love is a ring, the telephone 

Love is an angel disguised as lust 

Here in our bed until the morning comes 

Come on now try and understand 

The way I feel under your command 

Take my hand as the sun descends 

They can't touch you now, 

Can't touch you now, can't touch you now 

Because the night belongs to lovers ... 

With love we sleep 

With doubt the vicious circle 

Turn and burns 

Without you I cannot live 

Forgive, the yearning burning 

I believe it's time, too real to feel 

So touch me now, touch me now, touch me now 

Because the night belongs to lovers ... 

Because tonight there are two lovers 

If we believe in the night we trust 

Because tonight there are two lovers ...

You know, I happen to know a 1975 Capricorn woman with a Venus in Scorpio. I love her to death. Were she single, I would marry her in heart beat. She drives me nuts. She has done so for some 5 years now. The fact that she married 2 months prior to our meeting is one of the great historical disappointments of my life.  Nevertheless, this is a complete lost cause, and write-off.  She's rock-solid in her marriage.  She won't budge.  I would be terribly disappointed in her if she did.

I passed her in the hallway the other day, and I got a good whiff of her as we saluted each other in the morning.  I experienced an immediate bio-chemical head-rush.  It was all I could do to fight off the werewolf transformation.  I almost went into beast mode right there.  People have little appreciation for how much pheromones impact the situation.

On the flip side there are problems.  I know a Taurus woman (whom I sent flowers) with Venus in Scorpio (I mistakenly said Mars at the time).  She issued no response at all to my gesture.  I see her several times a month at work.  It's terribly awkward.  At the time, I was terribly disappointed, but the gossip I've heard since that time makes me think I was protected by God.

Several buds have told me that she's been married and divorced; carried on affairs with guys in solid relationships; broken them off and sworn undying hatred for the guy; shows big emotional outbursts.  They say she's high maintenance, and hard to please.  That sounds something like Venus in Detriment in Scorpio to me.

You have to wipe the sweat off your brow after hearing these stories, and count yourself lucky.  It's probably for the best that she did not respond to me.

Nevertheless, I see that same passionate nature in this woman.  It just isn't well tempered with the super-discipline of Capricorn.  It might be re-enforced by Taurus and even stronger in her than either of these other two cases.  I sent her Carnations because Carnations indicate fascination.  Fascination was the correct message to send.  She does fascinate me.

We'll see if I ever wind up with such a woman.  La-La, the theoretically perfect Pisces, does not have Venus in Scorpio.  She has Venus in Aries.  The Top-Aries woman has Venus in Pisces.  Incidentally, Venus is exalted in Pisces.  Venus is never better than in Pisces.  Unfortunately, Pisces does not go well with my twin-Leos.

The problem of Mars (and Venus) in Scorpio

Intro

As I mentioned in a previous blog post, I seem to like a considerable number of women with Mars in Scoprio. The trend is similar, but not as pronounced, for Venus in Scoprio. Understand that this blog post is not so much about my personal romantic predilections as it is a blog post about a software developer who is attempting to find an algorithm that will model a real world phenomenon accurately. Understanding this problem, and being able to phrase it correctly, is step one towards modeling the thing in code.

What is the meaning of Mars?

Mars is the fourth planet from the Sun. It is our second closest neighbor, and the planet most resembling our Earth. It is still the leading candidate for terraforming experiments at some point in our distant future. Its orbit requires 687 days, or a little less than 2 Earth years.

In Greco/Roman mythology Mars & Aries are one and the same dude. Aries is the god of war, son of Zeus and Hera, and the illicit lover of Venus. In terms of power, he was second only to Zeus. He was not a particularly good or likeable guy.

In astrology, Mars is known as a lesser malefic planet. The placement of malefic planets in your chart describes the specific problems, challenges and obstacles you have to overcome in your life. Mars is a personal planet. Its placement is reasonably distinctive from one chart to another. Mars describes your ability to take action, your desire, your sex drive, and your physical energy level.

Allegedly, it either partially or fully describes the sort of lover you are. According to many, Venus also plays a role in this drama as well.

What is the meaning of Scorpio?

Scorpio is the 8^th sign of the zodiac. It occurs during the mid-fall season. It is a feminine, fixed water sign. It is co-ruled by Mars and by Pluto. Scorpio is strongly associated with intensity, passion, and secrecy. Scorpios are alleged to feel intensely but not express themselves visually. They are supposed to be extreme. They either love something or they hate it. There is not a lot of middle ground with a Scorpio. Scorpio is supposedly rules the male genitalia. Scorpio is also the sign ruling psychic phenomenon. Scorpios are supposed to be the most intuitive people on the planet, and the legend says they are always a bit psychic.

What is the meaning of Mars in Scorpio?

Mars co-rules Scorpio, so Mars has the home field advantage in Scorpio. The traits Mars represents are more powerful when this planet is located in Scorpio.

Folks with Mars in Scorpio are supposed to independent, self-reliant, self-disciplined, but driven by their passions. They can be obsessive and compulsive. When obsessed with something, they are consumed by it completely. They have incredibly high energy levels, and shrug off fatigue. They are private about their goals, and pride themselves on their self-discipline. Allegedly, they “attract hidden sexual energy they might not be prepared to handle.”

According to all sources, this is the absolute highest sex-drive setting in the entire zodiac. Some jokingly refer to this as the nymphomaniac setting. Individuals with this setting have to release their sexual energy regularly, or their health suffers. Unless railed in by other factors in the chart, this will always express itself in strong sexual activity. They’ve got animal magnetism, and they know it. They are sexually possessive, and do poorly unless they have an all-or-nothing partner.

It is recommended that these individuals study Yoga, martial arts, meditation, or all of the above as a means to taming their intense passion and channeling it in constructive ways. As a matter of record, I happen to know two females born in 1984 who have this setting. One is my half-sister. She is teaching Yoga as means to pay for college. The other is a girl at work whom I favor greatly. She just happens to hold a 2^nd degree black-belt in Tae Kwon Do. What a co-inky-dinky.

Just how attracted are you anyway?

Just how attracted am I to women with Mars in Scorpio? Plenty. Because I am a quantitative guy, I have kept a little black book on women who have aroused me both in real life and in the media. I have been careful to find out as much about their birth days and origins as possible. I have compiled all this information into a master matrix so as to study the patterns found there.

There are 498 distinct women in this list. I have broken them down into their 12 sun signs. There are 102 distinct women on this list with either Venus in Scorpio, Mars in Scorpio, or both. 56 of them have Venus in Scorpio. 62 of them have Mars in Scorpio.

It should also be noted that 67 of the names on the master list have their Sun sign in Scorpio. This exceeds all other Sun signs by sheer quantity of names. This is a greater quantity than 2^nd ranked Aquarius (55 names) and 3^rd ranked Capricorn (53 names). None of my Scorpio scores exceed 337, so the Scorpios are unable to compete with Aquarians, Capricorns, and Pisces on the basis of points. Aquarius, Capricorn, and Pisces all score much higher on average than Scorpio.

Nevertheless, it would appear that I like Scorpio a heck of a lot more than I am willing to admit to myself. I have to tell you, I was horrified a few moments ago when I saw that Scorpio defeated Capricorn 67-53. That was one of those shocking upsets that make you scream “NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!” I shook my head muttering “that just can’t be right.”

Unfortunately, the facts have been confirmed. There are 67 names on my Scorpio list. There are only 53 names on my Capricorn list. I am humiliated. I suspected Aquarius was doing extremely well. I hold these women in very high esteem (especially Alice Eve). However, I did not expect them to beat out Capricorn 55-53.

What is the problem with this attraction anyhow?

So Dave is attracted to a lot of women with Venus and Mars Scorpio? So what? What does that mean? It means a headache for the mathematical modeler in me, that’s what it means.

As I have mentioned several times before, my moon is in Aries, and my Venus & Mars are conjuncted in Leo. Fire, fire, fire baby. I’m all masculine fire under the hood. Scorpio is a feminine water sign. Fire and water don’t mix. Worse, Scorpio and Leo are squared against each other. This means conflict. Just think of Tim Tebow and Sam Bradford shooting it out in the BCS championship game.

If a serious, sober, mature astrologer would look at my twin Leos, compare these to the Taurus/Scorpio combos I seem to like so much, and say… I regret to tell you this, but it probably just wouldn’t work out for you two in the end.

Now surely, there is a lot of heat there. I frequently mistake Scorpio women for fire sign women. As I first noticed and wrote down the names of those 67 Scorpio women, I predicted that many of them were Aries or Leo. I was wrong. These were Scorpio women. It must be the intensity that fooled me.

Leo/Leo is a pretty fierce combo. This is not exactly one of your less romantic or less sexual combos. Leo/Leo might not be able to keep up with Taurus/Scorpio, but I’d give her a run for the money. You can imagine someone with a higher sex drive setting being attracted to someone else of an even higher sex drive setting, even if that matchup is not good in the long run. This might be one of those simple cases where you just like something that isn’t good for you… like cigarettes or deep-fried Mac ‘n Cheese.

Nonetheless, as a computer programmer designing a synastry engine, I have to find a way to handle this type of scenario correctly, and report on it accurately. Right now, this looks like a bastard of a task. I am not sure how I am going to handle these Square situations.

This is hypothetical, how much do you like them in the real world?

I had a conversation on this very topic with my little brother just a few weeks ago. I regretted to inform him that I actually sent flowers to that 2^nd degree black belt on her birthday about two months ago. This stunned him. He knows I don’t do that kind of thing. He knows that’s way out of sorts for me.

So, let’s consider that case for just a moment. I will code name this female BB for her 2^nd degree black belt. BB was born on 5/10/1984 somewhere in the now united Germany. I don’t know where, and I don’t know when. She is a Taurus. Her Moon is in Virgo. This means she should be biased to find herself a Virgo man. Her Venus is in Taurus, and therefore exalted. Her Mars is in Scorpio.

Adjusting her chart for relocation to Los Angeles, Sirus 1.1 says BB and I have a bunch of pretty good scores. The romantic and sexual attraction score is 191. Everything is in the range of 180 to 230. That is a very good and workable set of scores.

I think most of you would find her objectively beautiful. If you don’t there is something profoundly wrong with you. BB is a class act. She has no known bad habits. She is athletic. She runs marathons. She holds a second degree black belt. She is smart. She has been promoted at work several times. She is a well-trusted employee.

I first met and conversed with BB at a mutual friend’s birthday party some three years ago. He’s a Leo guy. Interesting how several of my buddies have turned out to be Leos, now that I have checked. There were a number of air and fire people there, including Top Gemini. Of course, I was not aware of any of this at the time. I wasn’t much into astrology then.

There weren’t many people at the party I felt comfortable conversing with. For some reason, I overheard BB mention that she had passed her black belt test. Now this was a subject that had interest for me! I studied Shotokan when I was kid, and my heart never entirely left Karate when I joined the ranks of the Football mavens. I tried to strike up a conversation with her on the martial arts.

BB was very hesitant to begin a conversation with me on this subject. She interpreted this as a party hit. It was not. I really just wanted to kill some time talking about the martial arts with someone who was interested in the subject. After about two minutes she figured out I wasn’t making a pass at her. We wound up talking for over an hour on the martial arts and other subjects. At the time we didn’t even know we worked for the same company. I played two rounds of croquet and went home… alone.

Interesting how the Virgo dude winds up talking with the Taurus girl for an hour at the Fire/Air birthday party. How the hell do we find each other like this?

Unbeknownst to me, during that time BB was recovering from a badly broken heart; the result of a workplace romance. This was indicated by our mutual friend as the key reason why she did not want to talk… at first. Years later, I discovered that the culprit was a certain Capricorn dude I know and am very friendly with. Now ain’t that just perfect? What an earthy triangle this is.

Rumor had it that BB was expecting me to make a follow up. I did not. I figured she was out of my weight class. In recent months, BB did various things to attempt to gain my attention in the lunch room. I was doing what I usually do in the lunch room: Engage in deep conversations about NFL Draft, personnel and coaching moves, as well as general offensive and defensive strategy. I have some good buddies who can discuss these subjects pretty deeply.

BB attempted to interrupt one of these conversations, as it hit a fevered pitch, to tell me she had successfully run a marathon the day before. I regret the fact that I kind of shrugged her off to continue discussions on the lock-out. That was a mistake.

On another occasion, I was washing out my coffee cup, and she came over near me to grab some paper towels. When I looked over at her, she gave me one hell of a chocolate eye. That was a fairly unmistakable look. I was rather stunned by this. This was one of the earliest incidents occurring shortly after my gastric bypass surgery began to produce serious weight loss.

Even as of this point, I did not know that BB was a Taurus. I didn’t know she was a Taurus until they posted the May birthday list at work. Rumor had it she was a Gemini. When I discovered she was a May 10^th baby, it came as a great shock. I immediately text messaged my brother with the news and implications.

I decided I would go big or go home. That was when I decided to send her some carnations for her birthday. According to the lore, carnations indicate fascination. That was the correct message to send to BB. I think fascination is the correct term for it. I am fascinated by her.

Guess what? Absolutely no response. I’m talking about no indication of any kind. Since then, all her attempts to gain my attention have ceased.

This was extremely disappointing. Although there are women in my personal and public sphere with higher scores according to Sirus, I would still rate BB as a premiere prospect; this despite the fact that I know elemental incompatibilities exist, and she appears to be disinterested.

So what happened here? Was this just a case of a magnetic Mars in Scorpio attracting hidden sexual energy in ways she was unprepared to handle? Was this merely a case of me seeing those hungry looking eyes, and turning on for the wrong reason? Who knows…

The ultimate point

It is like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don’t concentrate on the finger, or you will miss all that heavenly glory. Don’t get caught up in the disappointing story of me and BB. The ultimate take home points are as follows:

1. I don’t make many passes at women
2. I have a pretty iron-clad policy against workplace romances
3. I don’t send flowers to girls on their birthdays

I violated all of these rules for the sake of a Taurus girl with her Mars in Scorpio. She was enticing enough to me to cause me to act all out of sorts. Ergo, the conclusion is simple: I am, in fact, super-attracted to girls with Mars in Scorpio. It’s not just an abstract list of names and dates.

I think the following conclusions are in order:

• Squares do have considerable power to create attraction.
• They don’t work out so well in the end.

Perhaps it is as simple as breaking the romance score into two figures, negative attractors with a minus sign, and positive attractors with a positive sign. A composite absolute value will indicate total attraction, but I will break it into positive and negative categories.